Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I would trust an Umbreon to be an Ekans.

Sure, neither have type advantage (I don't remember their full movelists), but Umbreons are just better.

Besides, as the old saying goes, Evees are man's best friend. Hopefully for her woman's too.

(Just basing this off the games, not comic logic ofc)

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

although there is the drawback that his trainer is inside Ekans's stomach, so he must be more careful when attacking so as not to hurt the trainer and at the same time prevent Ekans from fleeing with a full stomach

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

That's part of why I said Umbreon is good. It's moves tend to be surface level (hurting the person inside at most just a little) or mental. And usually those physical moves are sneak/precise.

I'll make a quick list, with good, ok, and neutral for the Eeveelutions.

Good:
Espeon imo is the best. It's psychic powers can shatter the snake with 0 risk to the trainer prey.

Umbreon is a good choice because of their precision, they fight dirty and aim for the gutteral. Unlikely to hurt the trainer, but could cause some minor bleeding on the trainer if it punctures the wrong belly spot.

Glaceon is prety decent. The cold could be a bit painful, but you would mostly be shielded from the outside. And the ekans woul be frozen, shatter the snake.

Sylveon I would say is good. It's attacks are often phsyical, but it has a fair few mental attacks. Additionally, it has the ability to use its ribbons to grab stuff, so could easily crush the snake's neck, or just squeeze-work the triner out, and this can be done from far out of the ekan's way. Not the fastest, but pretty safe.

Ok:
Vaporeon is ok. Their hydro stuff could flood the stomach and make you drown a bit, but that would also force the ekans to cough you up or burst. And the hydro pressure wouldn't the prey hurt much if it hit the outside of the snake.

Leafeon is similar to Umbreon in that it physically attacks. But the difference is that umbreon uses precise strikes, so is unlikely to hurt the trainer much. Leafeon's plant blades could easily cut deep wounds into the trainer. They would likely live, but need medical care.


Bad:
Flareon is a bad rescue choice. You will probably live, but the fire around the snake will likely cause you to be burnt, or might just give you heat stroke.

Eevee itself is a bad choice. Not because it would hurt the trainer, but because it would probably just also be eaten.

Jolteon is by far the worst choice. Its redeeming feature is that it wil 100% win, and has no risk of being beaten. The negative is that you will probably by fried by electricity, so will need a quick trip to the hostpital, if the shock isn't fatal. Which kinda defeats the point of being rescued.


Overall, I'd say eeveelutions are mostly very good for rescues (against average pokemon, especially snake and frog like ones, obviously they won't save you from Salamence, much less a legendary like Rayquaza).

Only Jolteon is truly aweful, imo, for rescues, since it has the biggest chance of just killing you. But if you have it out beforehand it has one of the best chances of fighting powerful pokemons, since it can easy give of intimidating warning shocks.


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Ofc, Ekans is a pretty weak pokemon period, but I would hold this list true up against Arbok too, and most other "generic" pokemon (so non legendaries, not regioal dragons, often non starters/mythics etc). Basically any common pokemon one is likely to face in the wild.

And ofc, some people argue over if they are foxes, dogs, cats, etc. I've always seen them most like dogs, but each form has a lean(espeon is cat looking). Regardless, we know them to be quite loyal, so they would defend their trainer to the end. Which is what matters most, since most predators won't give their all/risk their own lives. Much better to wait for the next prey then die on this one, it has time.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

The only bad thing would be that, since this is a vore universe based on Pokemon, Ekans would have some special ability related to vore that makes him stronger than if he were on an empty stomach

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

If it was a vore pokemon game it would probably be something related to constrict. Regardless, even the ability you mentioned wouldn't help, since in a rescue he would be full (enough).

But I agree that a vore pokemon setting would likely make ekans/arbok and other similar pokemon that usually aren't that good a fair bit better.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

I totally agree with the latter and I like it. It's good to see that Pokémons, which normally don't enjoy great popularity or usefulness in the game, can shine in the vore~

Also, I really like this theme of Pokémon devouring Pokémon trainers. newbie trainers + hungry pokemon + tall grass, results in many vore situations!

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I mean, when you think about it, it's actually kinda exactly that which is why the children get pokemon: wandering alone is dangerous.

So from a young age people keep loyal pets to defend them. From small creatures that could only scratch (bugs and rats) to maims (poochys) to even some big snakes, beasts, and the like (ekans/seviper, and so on).

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

especially if you add the vore factor. Now an Ekans is more dangerous like other pokemons that are perfect for vore, even a simple plant is capable of devouring you alive and whole

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I suppose so, but I think the danger of (soft) vore is often really oversold. Like sure, does it suck to be melted? Obviously.

But it is a much slower form of being killed. Really, it is almost a boon for the prey, since they have lots of time to be rescued, methods to fight back, etc. Just being torn apart, shot with magic beams, etc are all more deadly.

Though given how weak Ekans is baseline it probably is useful. Even its poison is bad!

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

The problem is that the pred, after devouring its prey, will leave the scene and hide somewhere else to quietly digest its food (as it has done on many other occasions), making rescue very difficult. If in the first place someone knows that you were devoured, otherwise they will take longer to start the search and you have already been digested in that time

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I guess it depends on where the vore occures. If ambushed in tall grass all alone by a snake, the chances of being found are admittedly quite low, and if the prey lacks particularly potent natural defenses (which would likely have come into play earlier if they had them) then it certainly is a near guarenteed doom.

But in more urban areas there usually aren't many good places to hide, especially for less "natural" (snakes being natural) predators, since (without hammer magic) the prey tends to be pretty obvious.

And mostly I just meant that any time at all, any chance to be saved, is better than the zero chances a swift death would bring.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

That's right, it also becomes dangerous for whoever tries to rescue the prey, another Ekans or a stronger Pokémon may be hiding in the tall grass and waiting for the perfect opportunity to attack and fill its stomach~

In reality, an urban area is also a good hiding place. There are many places to hide (sewers, abandoned or rarely traveled places, under a bridge, etc. the only requirement is that its swollen stomach can remain hidden) and the deafening noise of the city camouflages the sound of the stomach digesting its prey. the pred just has to be creative and pokemon have proven to be much more intelligent than a normal animal

That's true, but in my personal taste, I like it better when the pred manages to digest its prey, it's like a reward after hard effort

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I mean, obviously it is good for the pred to digest them. So I'm just talking theoretically.

In the first case, that's a good point, though it is also a risk for the pred.

In the second, some of those are true (though an ekans, especially prey filled, would probably have a very hard time getting into a sewer), but there are often dark alleys, dumpsters, and other places to hide.

I would say bridges however are not one of them, most that I see in cities are above sidewalks, so fairly busy, and along roads there are many cars. But I'm used to American cities, so maybe other kinds have better hiding spots.

That's a good point, I hadn't even been thinking about the sound but the loud noises could help to mask stuff.

However, I would still say cities (depending on the exact location within it and time) are still fairly bad. That's part of the reason why most big predators aren't found there irl (and that people would merk them).

Honestly, the biggest issue with any city hiding spot is getting there unseen. The best common one I can think of is a dumpster (sewers can be hard to get open without strong fingers/a crowbar). Of course, optimally you eat one of those silly abandoned building explorers, but those aren't too common.

Don't get me wrong, pokemon can be smart (depending on the type), but a lot of the issues faced by ekans can't be solved just with brains (an Alakazam could just tp away, but that's basically cheating. Speaking of which now that I think of it they would make good preds in situations where stretchy jaws are allowed on everyone)

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

That's right, a dark alley or garbage dump would be the ideal place to hide. devours prey and creeps stealthily to its hiding place and digests its latest meal~

I was referring to a point that passes over a river. I suppose that here in Argentina we have not yet reached that level of points XD

Obviously it depends on the location of the city. Hiding in the center of a city is not the same as hiding in a more humanized area. That's right, pythons (the most similar thing to an ekans in this situation) are generally found around cities, but they very rarely go deeper.

a container is a good place. It can serve as a shelter and hunting place (it waits for someone to throw out the garbage, catches it using its mouth and then drags it inside to devour it without further complications) for an ekans. Urban explorers are the best food, but they are not plentiful. Although the story that an urban explorer disappeared when entering a supposed "abandoned place" may attract more urban explorers which means more food for the ekans.

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I suppose so, and the last one is a decent idea. For just one snake ofc, if too many are there not enough food.

When it comes to river bridges, the issue is that most around where I live either have too many people by them or no one anywhere near (excluding cars overhead).

Though if I am being fully realistic anyways pythons would probably get killed by the weather up north where I live. I guess I can count my blessings, I can only be mauled by bears in the wilderness.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

Obviously it would be a single ekans or a small group of these, but if it grows too much, there will be no food for anyone.

Where I live, there are many river bridges. a relatively quiet place at the same time as a good place to get food. the perfect paradise for a man-eating snake

There are no pythons where I live, but from time to time you see a small anacondas. It is impossible that one of those could devour you like in that movie that bears its name XD

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I suppose that makes sense. A more rual style (people walking under sometimes or above it) bridge would be a good place to be, assuming not too much foot traffick. The issue in America is that everyone drives, which makes classic bridge preds, like trolls, a much lesser threat then they were in antiquity.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

exactly, and if it is a busy place, the predator can wait until night to hunt. open less traffic and it will be easier to find a solitary prey. Here in Argentina not everyone drives by car, so predators have a good hunting ground, I wouldn't mind seeing a snake or catfish with a swollen stomach looking for a place to hide and digest its food~

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I didn’t even think of Catfisg. Honestly those would have it Grrr. Gulp someone up and just stay underwater. Plus, have you seen the river monster show. Every other man eating beast is some colossal South American catfish. Thankfull for my lifespan thr fish in the US are small.

Posted by Fusz 6 months ago Report

I think the same! Vore catfish are great, they swallow their prey whole and then dive to the bottom to digest their food. one of my favorite vore scenarios is a catfish devouring one or more shipgirls from the game Azur Lane~
Of course I watched that show, and even 2 episodes were filmed in the area where I live (the whip ray episode and the Dorado or Pirajuba episode). If I remember correctly, one of those catfish is the "Pirahiba", here in Argentina there are no such. Yes, the fish in the United States are small, I found the invasive fish like the snakehead fish more interesting.

Posted by ScaryDesign 6 months ago Report

Wow, i read all the conversation.
Yes i choose Umbreon because it's strong and loyal, but people on my subscriberstar and patreon choose Umbreon moves. They actually choose to use crunch with Umbreon.
Do you think it's a good move?
I tried to find a good simulator for test attack and fighting, but i just cant find it.

However i would like to continue the fight with this two pokemon, and i try to imaginate vore moves for pokemon like ekans (like digest) where the pokemon heals himself and create pressure on the opponent.
Or i can just use regular pokemon move, some of them still have some interesting part on vore stories.

Posted by SPHikeV2 6 months ago Report

I’d say stick to regular moves, and include digestion as a natural facet. As far as I’m aware in Pokémon lore, unless otherwise states in a move stuff like biting and eating works the same as irl (and Pokémon eat each other normally.

Anyways, crunch would be fine. Like I said, Umbreon lorewise would likely crush the snake’s throat.

However, gameplay wise I believe Espeon is by far the best against Arbok or Ekans.

It’s psychic type directly counters the poison type of ekans (no ground or metal eevees, the latter of which while not super effective would be immune to poison)

Besides just stomping it gameplay wise on a type basis (and I believe in stats, but it’s a weak Pokémon, in both ekans and I believe also arbok’s case, no sure of the current Pokémon meta).

It also would be good lorewise, since like I mentioned it can just basically brain attack ekans, leaving the trainer unharmed.


So Espeon both has the easiest time bearing an arbok, and is the best at keeping the training unhurt.