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Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

This is why you're burning in Hell.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

No.

Posted by Vanroth 11 years ago Report

the only thing I can suggest for individuals like this is finding a way to block them from making comments or getting their account locked for some time, dunno if it will help at all with some of the more stubborn individuals out there.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Oh, I'm aware of that option. I could also report him. I'd rather just let him keep commenting, though. It's not hurting me any.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Can't you at least make her survive?

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

No.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Why? Still want to feel justified in your hypocrisy? Seriously, you say you hate murder, and yet you draw it all the time.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

No.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

You are the exact definition of an immature prick who can't accept other people's opinions, no matter how right they are.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

No.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

You're just proving my point every time you say "No."

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

No.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Let her escape, and stop being a child.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Feels bad, doesn't it? Having a person repeat the same thing over and over again, not listening to a word you say?

So no.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

No, it feels annoying that you won't listen to someone's opposing opinion. Why would it feel bad for you to be an annoying prick?

Posted by Twisty22 11 years ago Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0sK65PyVI

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

And you just made it worse for him.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

You don't understand what I just said, do you? I guess I'll spell it out for you:

I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Now you know exactly how I felt in our previous conversation on the Tumblr submission. Annoyed. Frustrated. Like I was doing all the work in a clearly one-sided conversation. Like everything was going in one ear and out the other.

So how does it feel? Do you like being treated like that? It sounds like you don't.

Well I don't either. So unless you want to apologize for insulting my family (No, my father did not drunkenly beat my mother; I have a good, healthy family dynamic), insulting me (No, I don't have deep-rooted psychological problems that lead me to this flavor of fetish; I just like it because it's exciting), refusing to back up your claims after I laid a blueprint for exactly how to do so, misrepresenting what I said (saying that because I like torturing fantasy aspects of my personality that I intend to commit suicide), outright lying about what I said (I did tell you, in list format, what I wanted you to prove, but you said I never told you despite putting your "proof" in a response prior to stating this lie), telling me I'm going to Hell (a place I don't believe in), patronizing me (telling me to go get help), and overall not understanding the basics of civil discourse, then I'm only going to reply to you with the word "no" because that's all the attention you deserve.

You broke the rules of civil discourse when you directly insulted me instead of providing the evidence I showed you how to get. You don't deserve civil discourse until you fix what you broke and restart it yourself.
In case you were wondering, this is the post that broke everything: "You know what? Forget it. You want to be a hypocritical self-hating douche, fine. I'll let you wallow in your sorrow creating your desperate cries for help and I won't respond anymore." You can go back and see what it was in response to if you'd like, but I don't think that was a justified response for what I posted just prior to your post.

If you apologize for all of the above, every single one to prove that you read what I just wrote, then I will apologize for any grievances you have against me and we can stop antagonizing each other. If not, expect to receive no more meaningful a reply than "no." Hell, I might even try discussing the topic that started this again if you really want to and promise to keep your mind open to persuasion. I have nothing to hide, and I am willing to change my mind if provided with enough evidence as well.

So how about it? You've got a choice here. Apologize for everything I just listed, one sentence per item (I will do the same for you if you wish), continue receiving "no" as a response for everything you say, or leave me alone. It's all in your hands.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Look, I'm sorry for what I said about your family and you. I was just feeling pissed that you wouldn't listen to me. And I still don't understand what you want me to prove. What is it that you wanted me to prove?

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

I asked you to apologize for every item in that paragraph. I know I'm going to sound difficult here, but you've kind of put me in a position where I have to make sure you're not going to burn me again, and that you're sincere in your apology. If you take the time to apologize for every single thing in that list, I will know you sincerely want to continue the discussion.

Here is the list again, for convenience's sake:

Insulting my family: Done. Thank you.
Insulting me: Still need an apology for this. Refusing to back up your claims after I laid a blueprint for exactly how to do so: Still need an apology for this, but if you need more tutoring, I will be willing to provide it; I get the feeling research isn't something you do often.
Misrepresenting what I said: Still need an apology for this.
Outright lying about what I said: Still need an apology for this.
Telling me I'm going to Hell: Still need an apology for this.
Patronizing me: Still need an apology for this, but re-reading some of your stuff tells me you might not know what this means, so if you need clarification, either look it up or ask me please.
Overall not understanding the basics of civil discourse: No apology necessary for this. That was just me being an asshole. But you really do need to work on talking with people with civility.

As I said, I know I'm coming off as difficult in asking you to apologize for everything listed here, but I need to know you're willing to commit and won't go back to doing what you did to break this conversation in the first place.
And again, if you want me to apologize for anything, I'll be happy to do so after you've done this.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Oh wait. You already apologized for insulting me. Ignore that one too.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

I still don't understand what you wanted me to prove. I'm sorry for saying you want to commit suicide or want to commit murder. I'm sorry if you took it as lying, but I was just confused about what you wanted me to prove. That was uncalled for, but Kitty is one of my favorite characters, and doesn't deserve this, like a lot of other girls you draw. I shouldn't have told you to get help when I'm pretty much in the same boat (for an unrelated reason).

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

You didn't do these in an itemized list, but I try not to be unreasonable if I can help it.

Here is what I was looking for:

You need to prove to me that people are inherently good. This involves first finding evidence against my biological argument that people have both cooperative (good) and competitive (evil) impulses, and next proving that people start with only cooperative impulses.
You need to prove that evil fantasies somehow hurt people. To do this, you will need to find legitimate research that supports your claim, and a lot of it. Here is a good place to start: http://scholar.google.com
If you want me to just take your word for anything you say, you will need to prove that you have a background I can trust. That you are some sort of expert. This means having a master's or higher in psychology or working for an organization that would qualify your opinion to be any better than mine.

But here's the thing that I think set you off last time: If you find far more research that opposes your views, you should be open to the possibility that you might be wrong. I am open to the same possibility, which is why I am giving you so many tools to fight my views with. I am relatively confident that I'm right, but if you can prove me wrong, I'll admit it when sufficient evidence is presented.

I also suggest looking up how to tell if a site is legitimate or if there is a bias in the research. Biased research is everywhere, and it doesn't count for doodly squat.

I don't expect you to come up with this research immediately. I have gotten my knowledge through years of casual study, and even if I looked through the research really hard, it would still probably take me days to come up with sufficient evidence to prove anything to myself one way or another. And that's proving something to -myself-. Feel free to take a few days to present your case. I can wait, and no one "wins" an argument just because someone is taking a while to post a response, so you don't have to worry about that either.

Does all that sound reasonable? If any part of it doesn't, tell me what it is and explain why, and maybe we can negotiate.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Well, just think about it. What is evil most associated with? Pain. It works the other way around. No one is born evil, they are made evil due to outside events, such as their parents or other people or events, usually at a young age. I don't need to prove that humans are inherently good. Did you want to murder people as a baby? No? You barely had a comprehensive mind to form opinions until you found outside forces that shaped who you are? Well, that proves it. Also, I tried showing you a link that would prove it, but it doesn't help that the author of the books founded a money-grubbing organization that demands money for giving people this much-needed knowledge. I personally feel like the knowledge should be shared freely.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

I read your link (something you didn't do for me, which is one reason I got testy with you), and it's as simple as "I don't buy it."

You must not have children or work with children, though. Kids are both inherently evil AND inherently good. They can be very sweet and loving, but the minute they realize that there are other thinking beings in the world other than themselves, they start to lie. Kids also bully each other with no outside prompting. Sometimes it's because their parents beat them, but sometimes they do it just because it gives them an adrenaline rush. Competition and domination do that, so some people get hooked on it.
All of this evidence is scientifically proven fact. The conclusion I draw, that people have both inherent goodness and evil in them, is my own opinion based on this evidence.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Well, I still say it's outside forces that force a person to have evil tendencies. Anyway, I hope that satisfied you and you'll listen to what I have to say about the work you've posted.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

I've already started engaging you in meaningful conversation again, so yes. I'm listening again. Now prove that it's outside forces, and only outside forces, that make a person have evil tendencies. Show me your research.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+people+inherently+good+or+evil
Here's all the links you can look up.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

I know how to do a Google search. XD
I'm asking for specific studies like this one: http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/2011/11/28/babies-embrace-punishment-earlier-than-previously-thought-study-suggests/

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

http://whywereason.com/2011/11/30/are-we-inherently-good-or-evil-what-babies-teach-us-about-morality/ I guess this is the best I could find related to studies. Let's move this to PMs.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

I was merely saying that murder is not something to be embraced, even fictionally. I admit that things got out of hand, but that is a fact that I will stand for.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

If he wanted to block me, he would have just stopped commenting on my posts. I only ever reply to him; I never initiate conversations with him.
And if he wants to post things in public, that's his choice. You don't have to read the conversation.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Well, the only thing that slightly offended me was when you said he won't get anywhere with me. One thing I pride myself on is my ability to change my mind, but I've got to get something that warrants it and he hasn't given me anything yet.

But no. I wasn't really offended. That little bit just kind of irked me, but don't worry about it. :P

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

I try to be. The only time I come unhinged is if someone breaks the social conventions first. :P

Posted by NurseNancy 11 years ago Report

Who is the immature prick? The one who keeps arguing that someone should change their way or the person who refuses because it doesn't suit them? Seriously OrcaSnack-Garth what do you think you are going to accomplish by continuing this? Humbug clearly isn't going to change and all you do is make yourself sound like an overbearing control freak who isn't getting his way.

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

We're settling this.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

There's a lot to read, but we've repaired the personal differences on this page and are now just going to discuss the issue he's concerned about.
Hope it lasts. XD

Posted by NurseNancy 11 years ago Report

I honestly and truly hope this works out. But I stand by my comments. You don't insult an person, or their family because you disagree with them.

And in regards to the topic of an artists work, you don't question their art, character design/personality, plotline, story, reasoning or try to force them to change their ways. It's just bad manners.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

That's why I had him apologize for everything he had done before I started talking to him in a civilized manner again. You're right: You don't insult people just because you disagree with them, and you shouldn't diagnose them with mental disorders for something they get their kicks off of unless you're a real expert in the field and evidence points strongly toward such a phenomenon.

Posted by NurseNancy 11 years ago Report

Well then good luck to you both. And Humbug, keep up the good work! I'll be around!

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Thanks! I appreciate it. :D

Posted by FlaxenSoftcloth 11 years ago Report

You're amazing kid

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

Don't push it.

Posted by Jacobtheespeon 11 years ago Report

I understand that Humbug gave quite the reply to your post, but in all honesty... It's her work, she drew it, she likes it. And in the end it is non-cannon and non-reality.

I understand what your feeling, it sucks ass to see a character you really like on the ass end of a bad situation with no hope, but thats how it is. I too was a bit dissapointed with the lack of her out of belly, but at the end of the day it just aint worth complaining about.

PS. Maybe if you're really nice or commision humbug, he'll draw katswell as the pred ;3

Posted by Jacobtheespeon 11 years ago Report

Lol, sorry for the inconsistant genders, with humbug's avatar I often forget that it's a guy :p

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Hey, I'm a guy! D:<

...Which you wrote in the P.S. part of your response. Make up your mind! XD


You pretty much hit on the whole core of what started the argument here, though: I like doing bad things to good characters, and Garth doesn't like that. He's had similar issues with other artists as well because he thinks that there is something wrong with doing what I and others do, and he likes to voice his opinion about it.

Oh, and sorry, but I don't do copyrighted characters in commissions. Don't want to attach money to my drawings of them and get on shakier legal grounds than I already am.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

And apparently you addressed the gender thing. :D

Posted by Jacobtheespeon 11 years ago Report

Yeeeeah sorry bout that, it was 2 in the morning and I was using an Ipod to type that XD.

Well if not a commission then a request :p whatever man.

To me the psychology is a lot like things such as... uuum.... death battle or something.

Your gonna see characters you like die or loose a battle, and that sucks, but that's just the way it is. And it also adds to the fun... the strangely obtained sickly viewed fun XDD

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

At first I thought it was a typo, but then you wrote the feminine pronoun two more times. XD

And yeah. Some people have different preferences with characters you both know, and that's okay. Some people actually like Tweety Bird, and I absolutely hate him, but I try not to insult people who like him or force my opinion on them. I just kind of...avoid them. :D

Posted by Jacobtheespeon 11 years ago Report

Well there might be a few characters that everybody likes. Or at least characters that everyone enjoys (you know, the ones you love to hate)

Posted by deathknight 11 years ago Report

Dude enough already! You will get banned for this...

Posted by OrcaSnack-Garth 11 years ago Report

We are settling this. Settle down.

Posted by deathknight 11 years ago Report

look man to be honest take this to pms, its the best option for such an argument

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Actually, now that we've gotten past the bad blood and are back to just talking about the issue at-hand, PMs might be the best place so our conversation doesn't crowd out the comments here. Having to skip a huge chunk of text makes counting votes a pain.

Posted by FanficFetishist 11 years ago Report

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Posted by Salvec 11 years ago Report

Continue Catgirls.
6 targets taken out with some nice loot but none of them eaten by Shinara, talk about bittersweet.

Posted by Mech__Warrior 11 years ago Report

Bah, go back and have Aisha devour you, I'm so disappointed! :P

Oh well, Continue.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

That almost happened. :D

Posted by Tira 11 years ago Report

>> Continue Catgirls.
moar feline snacks! =^.^=

Posted by Pachirisu_And_Asmodeus 11 years ago Report

Indiscrimate encounter Betray Krystal.

Posted by deathknight 11 years ago Report

Go to shop as you need to restock for more encounters. Once lucky, twice overconfident, thrice dead.

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Posted by NurseNancy 11 years ago Report

Before I forget.. Continue Catgirls!

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Posted by Serwin 11 years ago Report

Hope I'm not too late. Continue Catgirls.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

You're fine. The way to tell is if I've tallied the votes in the description. If I haven't, you're on time. If I have, it's too late.

Posted by DiamondDragon 11 years ago Report

Continue!

Posted by vmoartet 11 years ago Report

>> Continue Catgirls.

Posted by vmoartet 11 years ago Report

Also, I know you're already settling it with that Garth kid, but jeez, that guy is a piece of work.

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Sounds about right.
Talking to him is good practice for dealing with others like him, though, so I view conversation with him as worth it.

Posted by Eekamouth 11 years ago Report

>> Continue Catgirls. Should be thorough since we've already accomplished so much of the task at hand ^u^

Posted by 9kirby99 11 years ago Report

Continue Catgirls.

Posted by Manic_Maxwell 11 years ago Report

Maybe some might think me a psychopath or something, but boy am I glad that I don't take many things in my life too seriously.

>> Continue Catgirls

Might as well, since the last time we continued has essentially amounted to naught but some free gold.

Posted by mouse26 11 years ago Report

let's...just continue please :)

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Posted by The_Green_Oni 11 years ago Report

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Posted by The_Prof 11 years ago Report

>> Continue catgirls while I laugh at the fools who thought Aisha could actually be defeated in combat. However I do hope she comes back at a later date, when Shinra has enough badges

Posted by DreamerDomena 11 years ago Report

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>> Continue Catgirls.

Posted by JRP 11 years ago Report

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Posted by JesseClark9 11 years ago Report

Continue Catgirls, cause its harmless :3

Posted by GarrettAelito 11 years ago Report

>> Continue Catgirls.

Really, with all that gold burning a hole in our pocket we should probably head to the shop, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to be the second out of 20 or so votes to vote for that in favor of continuing Catgirls. Also, the false confidence from our easy win compels me to say that we should rush onwards, heedless of all danger!

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Funfact: Had you woken her up instead of Sneak Attacking, it would've been a really difficult fight. :D

Posted by TigerClaw 11 years ago Report

Woot! Another round done! Now: GO TO THE SHOP! We must restock our items!

Posted by 1IDeity 11 years ago Report

I always seem to miss the voting. Hahaha

Posted by Humbug 11 years ago Report

Yeah. lol
Want me to tell you via IM?